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? the answer is different groups will be affected very differently. steve liesman has more on the numbers. >> what we do know is if we go over the cliff, no change in what is mandated by those rules. everybody will pay more. we've divided up the country into quintiles, one-fifth, one-fifth, one-fifth. here's what happens with the cliff. for the lowest they go up by 3.7%, second 4.1%. if you're in the middle, where most people are, up 3.8% all the way to the top, 5.8%. what about the top 1%? their numbers go up by 7.2%. here's a way to think about it. this is what thelma and louise would pay extra if they went over the cliff. here's what mr. thurston howell would pay if they went over the cliff. let's take a look at the actual dollar values beyond percentage points. we know we have health care law taking effect and that will only affect the top fifth. here's your dollar values for the income bracket ets is. add on the amt, when they expire, get rid of the bush tax cuts. for the wealthy, a big chunk. it goes down to the second quintile. we get rid of some payroll tax cuts. down the line f y
. >> the president pulling a steve jobs. one more thing. a room full of congressional leaders and cabinet members, you know, one question is going to be the degree to which the president is involved and that moment was choreographed to some degree, right, that pat on the back and that happy birthday. >> those are two key figures. president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time around. do you think the president will be as involved or can he hand this off to someone else to negotiate? >> i think he'll be as involved. i think he'll be involved inside the room and outside of the room. the strategic turn the president made in fall of 2011 after the failure of the talks
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